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get to our guest Theory has written and
produced songs for artists in the
Philippines Italy Romania and Moldova
such as Filipino sensation rap Salazar
with a song now or never he won the BT
award for most inspirational music video
for an independent artist with his video
for his song change and I definitely
want to hear more about that he won the
best music video at the Las Vegas Garden
State and Nevada Film Festival’s for
we’ll all be alright which has just shy
of 350,000 views on YouTube he’s also
one of the most generous individuals out
there with his time and there’s so much
more to add but theory thanks for being
here man yeah man I’m glad to be here at
on this is this is great you know I mean
circumstances being it is a pleasure
that we at least have the power to still
connect because if we didn’t I don’t
know
I’d be doing right now going out her
mind I know I know I’ve been stuck in a
bedroom for the past two months working
out of a bath in my guest bedroom my
house because who needs those so I need
to get out and see people glad to see
you understand so let’s get into it you
know something I picked up really
quickly after meeting you and it’s
really exemplified by you know the
description I just gave and some of your
accolades okay you are somebody who
epitomizes the 10,000 foot view the big
picture you know like from your lyrics
to your concept to the music to the
videos publicity you’ve all got it
working for you and you’ve all got it
working together it seems like that’s
just part of what you do some people
really got to work in that and they
don’t even really understand it it all
needs to be integrated standard image it
can work together to really like elevate
a career right all things forward so you
want to talk about that and like how you
view projects in that way yeah you know
for for any artist that has a vision we
always like to map it out and when I
have an idea that I want to execute on I
literally just kind of see things first
on my scale of just my artistry you know
my my talents putting it all together
it’s kind of like just like making you
know a meal you know you hear the terms
you’re in the studio cooking up a track
you know so I get all the ingredients
you know what what’s what’s the part
that is at least going to visually
captivate what’s the part that is going
to be something that hooks people
continuously to it and so that that can
be you know the hard spice and then that
that cliffhanger part in it so I get all
that together all those elements and I
just cook them and then after I have a
great scope of what I’m doing I look at
it from
on other people’s perspective how are
they viewing that because you know when
you make something you taste it you know
how it tastes to you but what are people
gonna say about it when they taste it
yeah you know what will they feel that
is too you know too salty well they feel
it’s too too spicy is it to blend so III
have to always kind of like test things
out and I like to test things out with
people who I know don’t necessarily
communicate with me meaning that I don’t
really share much of my work with them
and I and I let them hear it because I
know I’m gonna get more of an honest
feedback instead of somebody who might
patronize me just like oh I love it it’s
great keep keep doing your thing and I’m
not really getting like good good honest
feedback because that to me I think just
kind of makes my course very stale yeah
friends and family you’re trying to they
mean well but it’s not exactly what
you’re looking for exactly so I throw it
I throw it right into the pit man I
throw it into the pit of people who says
like this is this is this is great or I
don’t like this part I don’t like this
part well tell me why you don’t like
that part what’s what’s what’s wrong
with that I would do this and if I feel
that it that it’s something that I could
take into you know reconstruct or even
you know just can it completely like
I’ll do it and and that’s just really my
method like so my method is I’ve learned
not to just always do it my way I’ve
learned to look at other people’s take
on things and by doing that I think that
I’ve learned a neat on making things
that’s a little bit more universal then
something that is just like only I can
understand because I feel for instance
like and I’m not I’m not degrading their
talents because I think people who are
very technical at things are very
brilliant like they’re used for a reason
but I always use this analogy when you
sit with someone from like maybe like a
college of music they look at the
technicalities like so intricately like
like like it is it is to the T and then
you take some
who just has a natural you know knack
for it on writing a song or putting a
project together and they’re just seeing
you know well this works or maybe this
doesn’t work but this works if you take
all the technicalities out of it you you
actually can see something that really
can be for the the natural consumer
because natural consumers have a
different psychology when they absorb
projects than somebody who’s looking at
it from the most you know technical
standpoint a microscopic level I’m glad
you said that because that’s that’s a
struggle I know I have that struggle I
know a lot of people in that struggle
aha you know it’s it’s that concept of
like will that’s not done right yeah you
know yeah I always thought this right
yeah and then like instead of like
thinking about the formula right it’s
like you what about the hairs on your
arm you know like are you are you
starting to well up a little bit you
know yeah it’s it’s it’s hard and hey
I’m an engineer you know I make music
I’m an engineer that’s work but people
are paying me for but like that’s that
hits home like when you say that because
that’s really a struggle for me I know
and I I work on I do do the the hate the
hair in my arm thing I don’t ask another
take after that even if there was
something wrong like I’ve learned that
but like there’s there’s a lot it that’s
tough yeah and that you bring in that
point up is so so important on
understanding the balance and it I you
know I’m not gonna sit here lies that I
had this like you know headstrong the
very first time I started creating but
I’ve learned over time of how important
it is to have that balance so when I
used the the natural ability to absorb
styles sounds and in ways of formatting
songs I also used those who were very
very detailed and understood the
technicalities because that natural form
has a technical way of being executed so
then when you actually join forces
together you start to see things
just like wow this is really interesting
so kind of like a movie like you see
content and movies that you know people
just use a natural way of like
commentary or comedic value but there’s
technical ways of how they place them in
there so well you’re like a Somali or
whatever those wine people are called
then a frenetic analogy because the the
pairings that you’ve put together for
some of your projects I mean they’re
just working you know nailed it you know
I mean between like the creative the
technical I mean you’re getting all
these awards for your videos it’s one
person right no people for their
strengths that’s great
yes and you cuz I mean even looking
looking at it you know someone like
yourself because you remind me of my guy
that I work with in California who is
the technical guy he’s he’s he’s not an
engineer but he thinks like well you
know and and that word is actually what
it is like it’s self-explanatory an
engineer you know an engineer is not
just somebody who is just sitting behind
hitting buttons saying are you ready to
record are you ready for me to stop yeah
that sounded good okay let’s take that
back all right you want me to keep going
no an engineer is somebody who actually
does what what happens in this world
built building constructing developing
like like every skyscraper you see to
the to its natural mathematic form is
from an engineer like that is what
engineers are about and the engineers in
this industry are those who are
constructing all those ideas together so
when I come up with these ideas and I
say I want to do this I want to do that
he knows how to execute those ideas that
I have because his engineering qualities
for the visualization of it he knows
like those technical standpoints and he
knows it better than I do like I don’t
understand half of that stuff I look at
it it looks it literally looks like a
mathematic equations you know what it
does
yeah and I and I and that’s why I give
them so much credit you know but he also
understands that that’s what he’s so
good at because if he was put into the
pool to just let off kind of that
natural idea and just and just go with
the flow he’s going to overthink it and
if he overthinks it it to me
I feel it just gets lost in the sauce
and I look at it from a consumer
standpoint of how a child can
automatically connect to what I’m doing
without me thinking so hard on it so I
it’s a it’s a really really cool balance
once you start getting to the flow of it
well it’s cool if if you are comfortable
and if you’re not comfortable get
comfortable because it’s yeah super
important if you’re comfortable working
with other people and I thank you the
the Royal we we need to get comfortable
working with people because it’s also
like thinking about divvying up
responsibilities in your gut right brain
your left brain you know and the things
are talking about art that’s two
different sides of your brain yeah when
you now have to keep bouncing back and
forth even within yourself if you got
somebody else you can just be like
alright you stay you do your thing
and I know you do it awesome we’ve got
the faith I trust you completely like I
love what ya do I’m gonna do what I do
and that’s it that’s kind of the way I
feel like you work you’ve got you’ve
you’ve developed these teams just like a
literal worldwide network over over your
career of these people and it sounds
like you kind of go back to these people
time and time again because of that that
momentum you’ve created that bond you’ve
created the trust you know yes back to
really at the end of the day when you
get it all together and it works out
like yeah yeah yeah I mean even on you
know the local scale
you know when the in the Capital Region
you know was a great potential rising
artist as you know Vince but Spillman is
yeah yeah who has done you know just
wonderful work in your studio he he he
I saw that how he puts things together
he was having just you know these
overthinking ways of really really
trying to make things just you know so
perfect and I said it’s not that it you
know it cannot be perfect but me looking
at it from a different angle for him and
and been him learning how to have that
balance he started to realize how his
sound you know elevated and and and
developed into a new realm and and I
tell him me you know honestly and which
I say to a lot of artists it’s not that
I made you a better artist you know like
like people who think like oh you know
once he met you you changed him you made
him better like no he was always that
type of artist it’s just that I made him
better at understanding what he’s
capable of
that’s what I did are you are you
familiar with the 8020 rule I hear it a
lot so yeah so you know that rule
basically the idea the concept behind it
is 20% of your work accounts for 80% of
your success mm-hmm you know like
everybody’s always saying work work work
work work and you know it’s basically
basically what it’s saying is like
boiled down to the nuts and bolts become
efficient because there’s very little of
what you’re actually putting effort into
that is really going to account for a
lot of your success and so much of that
other stuff it keeps you busy but it’s
not necessarily productive or moving you
forward and that’s that’s that’s kind of
what it sounds like like what you’re
talking about and you just mentioned
about like being like perfect in
thinking and this isn’t talking about
Vince specifically this is a million
people this is any money everybody you
know we’re always looking for the next
detail that makes us a little better yes
and it’s so hard to find that line and I
don’t really know where it is because in
a lot of respects the little details are
you know they add up no you know it’s
changing a lyric here it’s changing a
note there yeah for the engineers it’s
just like a DB here a DB there
yeah times a thousand but like I wonder
if we think about this much because I do
like I mean if you think about that 8020
rule
mm-hmm it’s like yet like you said like
with Vince like it was always there and
now it’s just sort of like it’s just
working a little bit better because the
focus I think you’re talking about focus
is is more focused but it’s getting away
from some of those things that maybe we
don’t need to spend as much time on but
yeah so I struggle with that I think a
lot of people struggle with it because
yeah the details you know they add up
they’d they they become valuable but how
much more effort does it take for all
those little details and how much more
value are they really bringing you’re
talking about like most people to me it
tastes better well I’m only one consumer
right so like all those details does it
really translate you know and like
you’re when to say when that’s like oh
the thing with the you know writing a
song you know it’s like you know I’m
sure you’ve gone through this it’s like
man okay you get a mix revision or you
go through a lyric or you hear a vocal
take it’s like well let me just do 50
more yeah I mean is really better than
number three yeah like maybe it is but
how much time did it take you to get
there and how much more could you’ve
done in that time yeah maybe that uh
another song or two yeah you know so I
don’t I don’t have an answer this is one
of those things I think about and I
don’t know if you’ve thought about that
much or like how you’ve sorted with that
but like I know you’ve must have dealt
with it because everybody does but it’s
hard man because you can spend forever
in studio on a song to get it
quote-unquote perfect it’s not gonna be
perfect just and I haven’t know that
maybe you got it for you then because my
rule and I don’t know how others do it
or feel about it but I am very very very
serious about not re-recording things
I’m very serious about that like like if
I do a song and someone says oh you
should redo this it might it may just
get canned
do you mean like you’ve got you’ve
finished the recording and they’re
saying redo the whole recording or do
you mean like dunno take um I I would
say do a whole new recording so like if
I already went through the song and and
we’re sitting on it and sitting on it
and they say I’ll just just rerecord
this song unless it’s taking a
completely different direction
I won’t redo it to have a newer feeling
because now I feel like the hunger and
the and the desire has has just been
dwindled that’s a good point yeah I
can’t I can’t I can’t go back to it
fully really do that I didn’t and then
you over now I’m overthinking it
of how I want to make it perfect cuz
once once you put yourself into trying
to make a song perfect you are missing
the point of how to execute a perfect
song um I think a perfect song comes
from being the perfect you so when you
understand who you are as the artist who
is doing the song the song is going to
naturally come out perfect but when you
think of trying to make a song perfect
you are missing who you are and you’re
paying more attention to how people are
going to hear the song and that’s why
artists who resonate better than other
artists it’s when people but the sound
because they hear the natural execution
in the track I never look at songs
anymore trying to make perfect songs cuz
they don’t work and if if it works with
somebody else
kudos I’m glad I don’t know how you do
it keep doing it if that’s what you do
but until you become the perfect you I
don’t see a perfect song cuz I hear
songs that are better well execute it
but I’m not convinced cuz I can tell
that artists tried to make you like this
song hmm
and that to me is this somebody
strolling into a place and they want
your attention instead of being who they
are and and they catch your attention
yeah you see so if you’re if you’re
literally overdoing sounds and trying to
really really get my attention on it I
could
that you’re just trying way too hard and
you’ve already lost me on like maybe
like the fifth bar you’ve lost me
yes oh it’s like it’s that’s funny I
mean and it’s so hard for people to sort
of walk away from something that just
isn’t working because like that’s my
baby you know if it’s a whole song even
if it’s a lyric or a verse you know yeah
it’s funny yeah or oral you know tell me
if we run into this one like you know
you you get a you’re starting to track
and and your your vocalist does a
scratch vocal for you just to get some
things down and you’re working on the
song working on a song and then that
artist goes back in the booth and starts
you know belting out every vocal every
lyric and then you know there’s a line
in there that just isn’t as good as that
scratch but they wanted to another take
and they will do another take and get a
better and better piece that was that
scratch I wasn’t I wasn’t even trying
that was my scratch let’s just let’s
keep going yeah yeah yeah like this
isn’t like somebody are competing with
that was you that sang it yeah just use
that like if it was that good
who cares that makes it you should still
be happy that’s you like but like it’s
like they’re just so close you know it’s
like or in the flipside it’s like you
start to like again you start to boil
that thing down to like just the essence
of the song and sometimes like a lines
got to go in your lyric or a verse
sometimes all verse sometimes has to go
yes I mean that liner that verse was bad
or wrong but the song is better as a
whole without it and it’s like it’s like
yeah digging their heart sometimes yeah
remember I in the prize it’s the
longview right it’s like it’s not
something wrong good but it’s hard man
it is it is man it’s a it’s a science
that we that we are in love with
complaining about you know but but we
are but we are the problems we have with
the process we’re so in love with the
process to complain about it as much as
we do but the process still is something
we love because we continuously do it
you know I mean you know
it’s it’s it’s it is I think every
artist who is passionate and when I say
artists I I mean from all from all
scales of music whether you are a
creator on lyrics and melodies whether
you are an engineer or producer or even
someone who is a visual director you
know if it was if it was taken in the
form of like a relationship people would
actually feel like you understand what
it means because anyone can say if
you’re in love with me as much as you’re
in love with your music everything would
be perfect because you never give up on
that that continuously pounds you every
day and you still work hard at it but
you don’t sacrifice for me which I mean
is that is really like we love to
complain about it but we are in love
with it man we are well so I kind of
want to go back to the collaboration
idea I mean you kind of touched on this
but Dee and I know you’ve got like a
tight core people that you like to work
with yes but yes if someone else is
coming in like what are you like for
someone who’s listening okay what are
some of the traits that you’re looking
for in a collaborator someone who can
really add to the project the party
because it’s got to be a good time you
know the mood you know just you don’t
want somebody who’s like up and down up
and down we need somebody I’m like you
know just count on to be sort of you
deal with with their emotions yeah yeah
what what do you think are good things
that you specifically are looking for in
people um
first off you know to survive with
someone who I’m collaborating with like
they they they have to have like
interests and just the process someone
who understands the process of creating
something and really having that excited
you know feeling on making something
from the ground up you know I really
look for someone who is willing to dig
into themselves as the artist and not
necessarily just try to impress but just
really just be comfortable with
themselves like when when I when I can
sense the comfortability in the artist
and they’re bringing you know their side
to it and I’m bringing my side to it to
me that that’s just the synergy know of
just like you know different styles
different tastes you know and once again
throwing in those analogies you know
chicken is chicken but the way you
season it is how it’s gonna taste you
know and you could you could literally
season it with so many different things
that gives it a different taste in so
many other cultures mm-hmm you know and
and and and that’s and that’s the thing
so I always look at it like how are we
going to flavor this and you know what
ingredients are you throwing on it what
ingredients in my throne on it that’s
gonna give it that you know that
different taste and because if someone
really isn’t you know in it like I’m in
it um it’s just gonna feel like I’m just
kind of like trying to carry the load of
the song and the person is just they’re
just going with the flow
and I don’t feel like we’re we’re really
like going at it together cuz I just
love that joint venture where we’re both
super excited about the track because
that’s gonna make me bring out more than
what then what I have and
that’s just gonna have the other artists
bit more than what energy yeah and and
and just and just really understand that
I mean even if you know and if it’s
healthy competition I’m all for that I
love I love a healthy competition where
it’s like you know I’m gonna make sure
that I’m the best on this track and you
know what go for it because I know
you’re paying attention to yourself and
if I look at it from my end I’m gonna
make sure that I’m the best on the track
then then so be it so then we both quit
on it and then the people gonna be like
I don’t know who to say is it best cuz
they both were amazing on this song like
yeah and that’s the thing it’s like and
and and I love listening to
collaborations on on other artists
because I like when they stay in their
Lane of who they are because it really
does coincide the different elements you
know sometimes like you can just tell
when things were forced okay it happens
it happens a lot and there’s so many oh
there’s so many like duo’s or duo’s
duets right now on the radio they’re
just very popular that concept and some
of them are just like you could if you
could swap out both sides of the artists
with anybody and it would just be like
the same thing sometimes yeah yeah and
bidding me know but but but and and
that’s the thing like like I cuz I pay
attention to that and and I take that
into consideration of how I see
collaborations go so when you take Paul
McCartney and Michael Jackson yeah and
and you you have say say you know like
they they are in their lane Paul
McCartney is who he is Michael Jackson
is who he is and in you know Paul
McCartney throws in that very smoothness
and he’s he’s like really really like
you know capturing his audience in his
vibe and then boom a lightning strike
Michael jumps in and and he changes the
tempo you know of the track like that
that right there is is amazing so I like
that like I like those different
dynamics when I
work with artists um and they they throw
their flavor on it I throw my flavor on
it and then we just combine that
together so if I find that
oh man I’m collaborating all day and
I’ll I’ll call that artist again you
know and hopefully do more and more
projects hmm so tell me how it came to
be creating the video change and you
want so you won this beauty award most
inspirational music video for an
independent artist yes I mean I know I
know you’re a great dude as a person you
know you’re a positive guy you know you
helped out a lot really generous so like
I have a feeling that that award maybe
meant a little bit more to you that just
sounds awesome can you talk about what
the whole thing was yeah so it was you
know um
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producer his name was drawers drawers
illa and slim two producers that let me
hear the track and it just really really
really hit me on just you know
self-explanatory the title change it’s
got to come and which was a rendition
off of one of my favorite artists Sam
Cooke and as I was listening to it I I
just I I jumped right in it I jumped
right in it and just started writing but
like so what I was writing about was
like talking about the struggles of an
artist like like what we go through you
know and and and just the way it starts
off like like the first line it says in
the world of hunger I see my problems
starving you know and and then it talks
about like how – like how your balance
and your relationship is talking about
how people aren’t taking you seriously
and you’re putting your blood sweat and
tears into projects and and people are
literally just taking it for granted you
putting out projects and people want
more of you to keep on putting out but
they don’t want to put in you know and
and so I’m saying there’s got to be a
change but then there’s a flip side to
it because
not only doesn’t have to be a change for
a better life I have to make change
which is making money I got to put
change in my pocket you know because
like money is something to keep me
self-sufficient for what I’m doing like
you cannot expect me to continuously
make projects and create magic if you
can’t help me fund what I fund myself
like like there’s there’s got to be a
give-and-take here and so that connected
to a lot of people who just want to
change in their life and it connected to
a lot of artists who understood those
struggles hmm and and so when the video
was shot by my very good friend Jarek
your exams in ski
he just had all these really cool ideas
and we were at a friend’s house his name
is Ellie on and we shot it in his
kitchen and we had you know like a girl
and a kid and I was more of the narrator
in the in the story because I it was
capturing a woman and her child and
she’s trying to pay bills and then it
captured another guy who got into the
wrong crowd and he realized that his
life was taken the wrong turn so he had
to make a change in his life and so they
were like there were like two different
stories I’m happening in it and it just
really really like struck home for a lot
of people and then we got the
notification that it was being nominated
you know within the beatty you know for
most inspirational video by independent
artists I I was floored
I was super floored and I was so excited
and I was glad that people really took
you know to the song and it’s it’s it’s
a genuine it’s a genuine piece for me um
I mean no matter how old it gets I think
it’s a timeless classic and that’s all I
really really wanted to make I mean
trust me I’ve made a lot of tracks I’m
like but it is important to me to make
songs at a timeless um because like
those songs just last forever and you
could you can go back to tracks like
that and listen to it
in 2020 and say like man this song can
work today like and that to me is when
you realize that you’re tapping into
your your artistry and you are pouring
your heart out for things that matter
because love doesn’t die there are so
many things like elements that we
continuously live with technology is
gonna change everyday but there are the
core elements that just doesn’t change I
don’t care if this is twenty eighty five
there’s still core elements that are
going to be with us until life itself is
no more and if you connect to those core
elements you will be timeless in
anything you create yeah that’s great
I’m glad you won that award man that’s a
great experience man I appreciate you
should definitely be proud of that one
you certainly earned it yeah thank you
yeah thank you so you know from going to
a video that inspires to quite literally
inspiring and sharing with younger
people yes I know you spent some time
with some kids some teenagers and just
giving and giving and giving there’s a
fantastic organization called community
miracles in action yes and do you want
to speak about that and talked about you
know how you got involved then why
that’s important yeah um so I you know
decided to do some volunteering and I of
course was really really interested in
creating something that would you know
attract young teens and teaching them
how to you know create music understand
music and utilize music um for the
better and when I when I was introduced
to being in Cohoes New York you know the
the program that was designed was called
outer dreams and that was kind of a
signature that I thought was like really
important to just put because we all
have dreams we all aspire to be
something and even if we don’t
necessarily feel
we have dreams like it’s in there and
sometimes it just takes for someone to
just hit the switch fit for it to come
out and the reason I call that louder
dreams is because you know your dreams
need to be heard
don’t keep them to yourself you know
they say never stop dreaming but
sometimes you shouldn’t stop sharing
your dreams you shouldn’t stop voicing
your dreams and and and the thing is is
that you know we have too many children
too many teens that have aspirations but
they’re not sharing them and and they’re
and they’re too caught up in in in this
cyber world that literally is all about
sharing but they’re not talking about
what they want to be they they just talk
about so many other things well studies
have shown unequivocally that if you
tell somebody about something you’re
going to do you’re much more likely to
follow through and actually take action
yeah so if you’re talking about your
dreams right tell people write them down
I mean yeah so that that as a concept is
just brilliant especially for younger
people who you know aren’t thinking
about that and maybe has you know
exactly frame yeah and and the slogan is
if they can’t hear you dream louder good
you know so you know because you’re
you’re gonna get you’re gonna get the
setbacks you’re gonna get pushback on
things that you want and there are
people who won’t be listening but it
doesn’t mean you cannot be heard because
you can be as loud as you can be on what
you want to do and that just gives them
the the energy and the the the I would
say the desire to just not give up and
it was it just became you know so
immense you know that they were creating
they were making songs that I still to
this day I mean I’m I’m floored
you know like I mean yes I helped them
create it but still to you know to the
multitude that these kids were not even
speaking to each other or barely
speaking in class
and now they’re they’re making songs
where people are hearing their talents
and and it just gave them just such a
you know a boost of confidence in
themselves and and now to see where we
are and in you know in a completely
changing world that I’m watching them
you know on online and they’re still at
it
they’re still writing to me the ideas
that they have they’re they’re asking me
for my feedback they’re they’re
recording little clips and and and
they’re writing on their own now they’re
there
I’m not even helping with the writing
I’m I’m basically just helping you know
with my feedback yeah you know on their
own writing like like they are
constructing their own melodies like I
just I think it’s great and I’m really
excited I think more programs like that
need to you know flourish I would you
know I’ve been saying to myself that I I
would love to create more of that you
know just across the nation really
giving kids is the opportunity to just
you know keep creating and there are
musical programs but like they just we
need more we need a lot more because I’m
salutely um in these undeveloped
communities like it you know they should
not be I would say compartmentalize and
just being victims of wrongdoings and
crime like Vinnie’s to be more programs
that is putting them to another level of
just creating like type music yeah yeah
well not just programs but people like
yourself to you know give them the
opportunity and give them the confidence
and give them the time of day
no and so yeah I mean I love to hear
about this program and just that to meet
you and to see you just giving freely of
your time to them and to see the
response and like you said I mean I’ve
heard the stories on some of them you
know doing really poorly in school not
speaking violent
and not so any longer you know yeah yeah
they’ve got some people that are in
their corner and have their back dad
allowing them an outlet that is positive
you know yes you talked about change in
your video if you’re gonna be that
change I mean you’re showing them you’re
not just like telling them you know
you’re walking the walk and that’s so
important for younger people to see that
like actually in front of their face
from someone who’s actually gonna give
back and talk to them and not at them
you know all those things so it just
puts a smile on my face and and just
makes me feel great just to hear those
stories so I’m glad to do that thank you
for doing that you know I hope that
other people hear this and you know
maybe include them to do the same in
their neighborhoods and definitely with
anyone you know it doesn’t take much it
doesn’t take a program to to take
someone who’s interested and just kill a
bit out of them or someone who is yeah
seemingly you know frightened or you
know not talking about their dreams not
you know it’s tough being a kid you know
yes and I have anybody else in your side
too that makes it even tougher so highly
encourage everybody is watching and
listening you know take a look around
you if there’s someone who is interested
in what you do you know but it seems
afraid to approach you man you could
make a friend for life but man theory
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